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Sidjanga
Senior Member
German;southern tendencies
- Nov 7, 2010
- #1
Hi,
Is there a "male equivalent" of a shrew in English? (like in The Taming of the Shrew, and similar contexts).
The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary says:
Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary said:
shrew noun (WOMAN ) /ʃruː/ n [C]
OLD-FASHIONED DISAPPROVING an unpleasant woman who is easily annoyed and who argues a lot
So is there also a (specific) word for an "unpleasant man who is easily annoyed and who argues a lot" - or is at least the "arguing-a-lot" part precisely what would make a man... well... just what a man is supposed to be like, and the one who's responsible for making him annoyed in the first place - if he is annoyed - would normally be the woman?
Thanks
grubble
Senior Member
South of England, UK
British English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #2
He could be a grouch
prof d'anglais
Senior Member
Tours 37, France
English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #3
Trusting I don't get my wrist slapped for referring to a competitive forum, this same question was asked here. It seems the nearest we can get, is accusing a man of behaving like an old woman. It still strikes me as being overly sexist though...
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #4
prof d'anglais said:
Trusting I don't get my wrist slapped for referring to a competitive forum, this same question was asked here. It seems the nearest we can get, is accusing a man of behaving like an old woman. It still strikes me as being overly sexist though...
But that is not the equivalent of a shrew. An "old woman" is a man who is fussy about trivial things - quite possibly irritable, quite possibly a grouch, but lacking the bitterness and venom that is an essential element of being a "shrew".
prof d'anglais
Senior Member
Tours 37, France
English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #5
I agree Andygc but does that mean men are incapable of being bitter and venomous? Another characteristic of a shrew is nagging. Nag can be attached to men just as easily as women.
grubble
Senior Member
South of England, UK
British English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #6
This link indicates that originally "shrew" applied equally to men and women
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=shrew:
Given that the term is now more or less obsolete, maybe we should consign to history the century or two during which it applied only to women.
timpeac
Senior Member
England
English (England)
- Nov 7, 2010
- #7
grubble said:
He could be a grouch
I think this is quite a good suggestion. I can't think of a closer one - it seems that most such terms have implicit sexist overtones.
I wonder about calling a man a "little bitch" in the sense of a male shrew.
prof d'anglais
Senior Member
Tours 37, France
English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #8
I'm inclined to think only a guy of a similar sexual orientation would call another guy, "a little bitch".
Packard
Senior Member
USA, English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #9
I probably would use "like a shrew..."
Mike, you are acting like a shrew and you know everyone hates it when you behave like that.
grubble
Senior Member
South of England, UK
British English
- Nov 7, 2010
- #10
Packard said:
I probably would use "like a shrew..."
Mike, you are acting like a shrew and you know everyone hates it when you behave like that.
So is "shrew" a current word in the US?
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- Nov 8, 2010
- #11
prof d'anglais said:
I agree Andygc but does that mean men are incapable of being bitter and venomous? Another characteristic of a shrew is nagging. Nag can be attached to men just as easily as women.
Yes they can be equally malign, but I was referring to the term "old woman" applied to a man, which does not have the meaning of "shrew" as applied to a woman.
Despite the derivation that grubble referred to, "shrew" has been used exclusively as a term to apply to a woman for perhaps more than 500 years.
I think that the answer to the original question is that there is no single word that can describe a man so effectively as "shrew" has been used for a woman with similar personality traits. Perhaps a reflection of the way society was ordered?
prof d'anglais
Senior Member
Tours 37, France
English
- Nov 8, 2010
- #12
Andygc said:
Perhaps a reflection of the way society was ordered?
I agree Andygc (this's becoming quite a habit between you and I). In fact discussing this with a French student this morning we discovered several French words that are uni-sexual -garçonnière, women do not have their equivalent and obviously maitresse is equally one-sided but slowly and surely, the tide is turning. I'd ask for suggestions for the female equivalents of the above but perhaps in the French forum...
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djmc
Senior Member
France
English - United Kingdom
- Nov 8, 2010
- #13
Not quite the same but one could refer to a man one disapproves of as a male chauvinist pig.
prof d'anglais
Senior Member
Tours 37, France
English
- Nov 8, 2010
- #14
I have heard references to female chauvinists also...
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snootyjim
Member
British English
- Nov 8, 2010
- #15
djmc said:
Not quite the same but one could refer to a man one disapproves of as a male chauvinist pig.
That is usually a term aimed at males believed to be sexist, no? It's a very specific term in my eyes.
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djmc
Senior Member
France
English - United Kingdom
- Nov 8, 2010
- #16
Quite so but just as men may say of women that they are shrews because they dislike them for characteristics they think typically female, women may say male chauvinist pig of men they dislike for what they consider typically male macho behaviour.
Uncle Bob
Senior Member
Hungary
British English
- Nov 8, 2010
- #17
I agree with timpeac that grubble's "grouch" is a good suggestion and I would find it strange if a man were referred to as a "shrew". One could, instead of using a single term, list the required characteristics: a wining, bad-tempered (old) bugger. ("Old" isn't a necessary characteristic but it is frequently used even when the person isn't old).
prof d'anglais
Senior Member
Tours 37, France
English
- Nov 8, 2010
- #18
Uncle Bob said:
I agree with timpeac that grubble's "grouch" is a good suggestion and I would find it strange if a man were referred to as a "shrew". One could, instead of using a single term, list the required characteristics: a wining, bad-tempered (old) bugger. ("Old" isn't a necessary characteristic but it is frequently used even when the person isn't old).
I would hope bugger isn't a characteristic either...
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PammyJo
New Member
English -America
- Apr 30, 2016
- #19
Well thanks for the feedback! I just used male shrew in a comment after finding this online, and another definition where men are used interchangeably with women when describing someone as a shrew. Even Shakespeare would have used it interchangeably in his speech, even if not his written play. Men were also given to portraying women in Shakespearean plays during his lifetime, so were adapt at playing well the part. "All life is a play, etc."
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